Frank Eggink on LinkedIn: #management #leadership #selforganisation #futureofwork | 102 comments (2024)

Frank Eggink

Supporting organisations, teams, and individuals🤝 | Empowering self-organisation | Challenging the status quo🤺 | Learning culture🌱 | Innovation🚀 | Pirate🏴☠️

4h

I found an interesting article from 2016https://www.garyhamel.com/sites/default/files/uploads/three-trillion-dollars.pdf

Trevor K. Nelson

Bringing strategy & execution together

1d

In another word - 'clueless' 😁 Whoever came up with this clearly has zero experience in group dynamics.Ask anyone that's ever been in charge of a 'volunteer' group of more than 5 people. 100 people 'self-managing'? 😂 And the org may see the *initial* $600k annual savings, but it *won't* see the $3.6M because it won't be around that long.

Doug Rabow

Operations Management specializing in business and process transformation. Pragmatist.

1d

Only management and bureaucracy are not the same thing.If your managers aren't contributing to the organizations ability to deliver value you have a different problem 🙂

Noah Cantor

Growing more effective tech leaders

1d

That’s not how any of this works. Self-management is definitely possible. I would argue that it’s usually a better method, when it fits the context. But it doesn’t always. Self-management requires a level of both personal and organisational maturity that is uncommon. The organisation has to share information openly and willingly, with everybody who wants it. Because people can’t self-manage effectively without relevant information. And since you’re letting them manage themselves, they’re the only ones who can say what’s relevant. So if you aren’t a transparent organisation, full self-management is likely a mistake. Teams of individuals must also be both highly skilled and willing to learn, ask questions, admit when they’re wrong, and admit when they don’t know things. These folks tend to be more expensive, because they’re highly capable and make great teammates. It’s absolutely possible to build an organisation that self-manages successfully. It’s harder to convert an existing organisation. And it’s impossible to get there by just removing the managers/bureaucracy.

Brett Maytom

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1d

I don't thing those numbers are really represent the financial impact. What about other financial impacts like* throughput* cost of delay* time to market* unnecessary bureaucratic meetings and reporting* focus factor impact* innovation rate* pressure on teams* morale impact* attrition* and moreThen the value they contribute or impede also skews it.But one cannot have zero managers too as the can serve vital operational and administrative functions so the teams can on creating and delivering value. They can do things like- procurement- team welfare- finances, payroll- recruiting- logistics- onboarding- and moreIt also goes beyond just salary as there are other cost, thus what is the cost-to-company? E.g. Office space, equipment, payroll taxes, software licences and more.I reckon if you really get into the math then it will be a lot worse.

Clarke Ching - the 'bottleneck guy'

Bottleneck management for crazy-busy “big cheeses”. Author of The Bottleneck Rules.

1d

This is interesting math if you’re trying to save money. If you’re trying to make money … it’s not.

Michael Küsters

Thought Provoker / COO - AI / Edge Computing

1d

Exactly.You will always save a lot of money when you can get 2 people to do the work of 3, especially if you don't compensate them for the extra work based on market rates.Accountants worldwide approve. 👍

Jay Mullings

Product Management | Agile Methodologies | Product Strategy | ICP-ATF & ICP-ACC | Developing Holistic Product | Inclusive UX | Cross-functional Team Leadership

1d

The comments here have not dissappointed! The idea is a novel one, however the calculations and assumptions make it problematic. Most have pointed that out already! Meaning I get to make a frivolous comment essentially saying 'good job everyone' 😅

Kevin Harbauer

Chief Technology Officer

1d

This has to be satire...

Richard Smith

Principal Software Engineer / Innovator at Preservica

1d

Why are the managers being paid three times as much as the doers?This looks like figures made up to support a position rather than any kind of reflection of reality.100 people can't "self manage" effectively, it will naturally fragment into teams or cliques with informally appointed leaders, and then you need some people to manage coordination between the teams at least.